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Unreal Warfare · Dec 09, 2010, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Note that if it's very busy you may not get a response to your queries whatever languages are used, your message gets drowned anyway.
Also note that if there's so much non-english chat your english message is more likely to get read by english users then when all the chat is in english.

When all the english speaking players may have turned of local because what they see is just a bunch of gobbledeegook?

If you say so.

Most people simply just won't bother.

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It's their right to not speak english.

You don't have rights. Guild Wars is not America. There is no freedom of speech.

But in any case this isn't about rights. It's about having a bit of respect and consideration for other locales. If I go to a specific server i'll use the language for that server, not spam their chat with my own.

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I probably wouldn't speak english with dutch friends either, unless there where people participating in the conversation who didn't speak dutch.

Good for you. Do it in private.

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Inability has nothing to do with. People will use the language that's the best and most suitable for use between them, without regard to an audience.

Without consideration for others you mean?

Yes I get it.

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Problems do not arise from them doing so, but from others making a fuzz about it.

No the problem arises from the lack of consideration for locale.

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But when you're not part of the conversation, you can not expect people to use a language you understand.

Yes you can. Speak localised or use private functions. That's what they're for.

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If people are trying to speak with you in a language you don't know they most likely don't know what language you speak, or they don't know the language (they think) you do speak.

In a European English server?

Lol.

If it's not obvious what language I speak then there's a problem caused by it already. People go to a English server to expect people to speak, and understand, English, not German, Dutch, Russian, Czech, or whatever other languages people speak. If they wanted to speak German they would go to a German server, etc.

Sorry the Dutch don't have their own server, that's what International is for.

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I'd speak dutch when talking with my friend and attempt to speak their language, or something we'd all understand, when speaking with people of that country.

Of course you do.

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I've handled multi-lingual situations for most of my life, which might well be longer then you've lived.

Don't try and play the age card as if it matters on an internet forum.

Also might. I might well be older than you think I am, making your comment... pointless.

We are discussing on a public forum, not a marketplace, and not in Kamadan. People who join here and discuss are likely to understand english good enough to do so - it would afterall be pointless if they didn't. You simply don't know how well someone in Kamadan can use english.[/quote]

Yet they read English well enough to go to the Euro/American English districts. Hmmm.

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I do understand, and I've been pointing it out, you just don't know how to read it: it is a problem only when you are make it a problem.

I read it just fine. I told you. If you cannot understand that simple line of a sentence then say nothing if you're going to repeat the same thing over needlessly.

You say it's a problem if I make it a problem? I say it's a problem if they make it a problem by not respecting the language barriers of another server.

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You aren't making any sense, our arguments are not weighed by how well you or I can make use of the english language.

Yes they are. People like yourself who actually understand English yet still continue to disregard the localisation of language for a district are the reason this debate is in place.

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No, it would prove my point, we use the language that is, afawk, best suitable for the two of us to discuss with. If we'd both been dutch, or german, the use of dutch, or german, would have allowed us to better express our idea's then we can in english.

Here I'll give you a clue.

European "English"

You can cry about my views until you're blue in the face. It doesn't change my opinion one bit. You can throw whatever insults, or childish, sarcastic, or witty, remarks at me it doesn't change a thing. All it does is show that all you can do is resort to petty idiocy as you try and argue your point when in reality you're point means nothing to me and my views will still remain the same.

Let's hope Anet resolve this problem in a manner that is less distracting, and one that is much more functional in the future.

Dzjudz · Dec 09, 2010, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Unreal Warfare

Answered this question for me yourself.

Team chat, Guild/Alliance chat, Guest invite Guild Hall Chat, International District.

I expected these responses, which is why I already pointed out that your 'solutions' to this non-existent problem have flaws of their own and are thus not really solutions. Team Chat? Imagine teaming up with random people just to have a conversation. Guest Guild Invite Guild Hall chat? Seriously? Are you actually suggesting that? None of your so-called solutions are anything close to convenient.

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How in any way does it affect you to use English in a English speaking local district? I use English, not the best at times, but I still have a damn good go. Think of it as learning how to better your alternative language capabilities, it affects you in a positive way rather than a negative way by bettering your lingural skills.

My English is good enough, thank you very much (my TOEFL test was rated fluent/mothertongue level of English when I took it to study abroad in New Zealand). However, it has been stated by others as well: talking in your own language is faster, easier and more convenient. It doesn't affect me in any way to use English, but when there's no need, why would I switch to a second language with someone who speaks the same first language as me for a conversation that isn't targeted at you in the slightest?

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As for how does it affect people (and not just English or American people, but also foreign people who speak English) when your local chat is flooded with a language that no one understands it puts alot of people off from using the local chat, and it segregates gamers, and a community from being built, within that district.

Show me one example (screenshot will do) of local chat in America 'flooded' with foreign languages in such a way that it is impossible to have a conversation of your own.

Edit: I just read the few posts above this one.

Consider this situation (which actually happened yesterday):

A few guildies and I (Dutch guild, yes we speak Dutch within the guild/alliance, good for us right? Not flooding your precious all chat with gibberish) were teaming up in Doomlore Shrine to do a dungeon. Someone in the district sees us partying up and from our tag recognises us to be Dutch. In All Chat he asks in Dutch what we're going to do. We reply and the conversation goes on a little.

My question: how does this in any way affect the other players present in Doomlore Shrine?

And enough with the 'go to international district' already, you should read post #90 a little better.

Gli · Dec 09, 2010, 11:33 PM // 23:33

There's actually nothing in the Rules of Conduct about which languages one can or can't speak in any specific district. In fact, raging on people about it, that's harassment, and that is disallowed. I guess I should start reporting people for that.

Guy Incognito · Dec 09, 2010, 11:34 PM // 23:34

As an only English speaking Englishman I have to agree with the poster above, I've never seen foreign jibber jabber in Euro English districts be so bad that it disrupts English speaking players.

In my experience at least, most foreigners in English dists usually speak English, and when they don't it's still not in an excessive manner and these guys are generally guys without dists for their own langauges, like Dutch, Czechs, Hungarians etc.

Personally speaking, I don't care what languages I see in all chat, simply because it's most likely just a few guys chatting and they aren't disrupting my gaming experience. If they want to talk to me they'll use English, otherwise just let them get on with it I say.

On a side note, I've noticed most Euro's have a good grasp of English, particularly Scandinavian players. I've grouped in the past with Swedes, Finns and Danes and not had a clue they weren't English until they told me.. all good guys too.

Sorry Norwegian folks, I love you too but I don't remember ever grouping with any of you.

Unreal Warfare · Dec 09, 2010, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

My question: how does this in any way affect the other players present in Doomlore Shrine?

I believe I've already given my opinion on this already. I'm sure you're capable enough of reading that I don't need to repeat myself?

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And enough with the 'go to international district' already, you should read post #90 a little better.

I read it just fine.

Go to the International district if you have no server of your own. You can have your own district all to yourself there seems it's so dead. You won't be bothering anyone else and no one else will be bothering you.

Dzjudz · Dec 09, 2010, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Unreal Warfare

I read it just fine.

Go to the International district if you have no server of your own. You can have your own district all to yourself there seems it's so dead. You won't be bothering anyone else and no one else will be bothering you.

No you didn't, or you wouldn't be repeating the exact reason we don't go there.

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I believe I've already given my opinion on this already. I'm sure you're capable enough of reading that I don't need to repeat myself?

No need, just a friendly suggestion to lighten up and be more like Guy Incognito.

Gli · Dec 10, 2010, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Unreal Warfare

Go to the International district if you have no server of your own. You can have your own district all to yourself there seems it's so dead. You won't be bothering anyone else and no one else will be bothering you.

Gee, I don't know, if everyone would just go to the international districts to speak their own brand of 'gobbledeegook', it would become an unendurable mess. Besides, you'd expect people in an international setting to use a lingua franca, like for example, English. It's called the international district, not the 'unsupported languages' district.

Everyone who wants to get involved with trading will go to the American districts of Kamadan. There's really no comparable place for that. So what if they want to chat in their own language sometimes? The simple fact of the matter is, people will do what they want to do, and as long as they don't do anything warranting GM measures, what's to stop them? If it bothers anyone, they're free to get the hell out of there. If it really, really bothers anyone, they can take it up with ANet or NCSoft. Getting all worked up about it on a messageboard is pointless.

Lord Mip · Dec 10, 2010, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Why would non English speakers who don't have their own district be forced to an international district when our ping is better on European servers. That's just plain silly..

Amy Awien · Dec 10, 2010, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Unreal Warfare

But in any case this isn't about rights. It's about having a bit of respect and consideration for other locales.

And there's respecting other people and their wish to have a pleasant conversation with their friends, or whomever they've been questing with, without having to watch their step because someone might feel offendend about seeing non-english in local chat.

Their choice of conversations partners and the language they use has no effect on you other then the effect you believe it to have on you

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... People go to a English server to expect people to speak, and understand, English,

Just because you do, doesn't imply everyone does. Some people just hop districts to gather a team to do a mission or zq. WIth the party-search system enabling them to search over multiple districts it's not unthinkable that they wind up in a language district that's not quite their own.

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Sorry the Dutch don't have their own server, that's what International is for.

With a ping even worse then that on more local servers? Why would they let your intolerance interfere with their gameplay?
I can use multiple languages, as many dutch can, I am not troubled by non-english in local chat. Why should I leave.

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Don't try and play the age card as if it matters on an internet forum.

Well, age has nothing to do with it - you were pointing at your experiences in your multilingual workplace, and I pointed out my experience from living a lifetime within a multilingual environment.

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You say it's a problem if I make it a problem?

Yes. You don't have to read it, you don't have to understand it, you don't have to be annoyed by not understanding it. It's all between your ears.

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People like yourself who actually understand English yet still continue to disregard the localisation of language for a district are the reason this debate is in place.

If someone were to ask question in german I might help them in german, yes. If we were returning from a mission/quest, I might chat with teammembers in a language other then english, yes. My attention would be with them, not with you.

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European "English"

Everyone who has bought this game has equal rights to play this game, with their friends, no matter what their language - and without being persecuted by the language police.

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You can cry about my views until you're blue in the face.

I don't cry. You make a problem where none exists. I am trying to point out that since you are the one with the problem, you are also the one who holds the key to end it.

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It doesn't change my opinion one bit.

Well, then continue being troubled by the use of foreign languages. You can not change others, only yourself and your own perceptions.

Rhododendron · Dec 11, 2010, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Because all the activity is in the american district 1 everywhere.
Playing in a different district is the closest thing to playing a MMO without seing anyone else . EVER .

neoteo ex animo · Mar 30, 2011, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Rhododendron

Because all the activity is in the american district 1 everywhere.
Playing in a different district is the closest thing to playing a MMO without seing anyone else . EVER .

this is why i would send everyone to international as default option , at least people could feel there are people playing the game.

the diferente languages on local chat would give it the international feeling that guildwars should have, just because its possible !

my 2 cents anyway

Kelfer · Mar 30, 2011, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Plain and simple, Euro eng dists are as a good as dead!

Ascended Furling · Mar 30, 2011, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Plain and simple, Euro eng dists are as a good as dead!

And the euro servers are not working right. It safe for me and my guild members to play in a lagging American server then a Europe server where the gh is not working for the most of the time.

EPO Bot · Mar 30, 2011, 07:57 AM // 07:57

I only speak english on line and the US districts are more populated.

Zebideedee · Mar 30, 2011, 09:35 AM // 09:35

I used to play on Euro servers during lagathons, but tbh when I went to LA and Kamadan and pressed P everything for sale was in French or German, then I moved to US and everything was in Hillbilly English which I can read! And since the lag issue (at least for me) has gone away I think I'll stick with US dists

Snograt · Mar 30, 2011, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Oh goody. English language bigots on the march again.

For the record, there are more native Spanish speakers in the world than there are native English speakers.

People are free to speak which ever language they choose in which ever district they choose. Language districts are there as a convenience, nothing more.

For the record, I'm a native English-speaking Englishman - a member of the most insular nation on Earth.

Dzjudz · Mar 30, 2011, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Arf why did somebody drag this thread back from hell?

Highlander Of Alba · Mar 30, 2011, 11:21 PM // 23:21

My reason was that I purchased 2 accounts at the start 1 for each Euro and the U.S.

This was when favor was given to each respective area , so at any time 1 region lost favor I switched to a diff region many did this.

When this all changed to become unlimited travel a lot of guys just started to either play on one or other due to the timescale.

I never had the language barrier problem at all as with a lot of guys,
You always had guys who spammed geeze you even get that now in english may I add, that was my reason for using both sides of the pond

enter_the_zone · Mar 31, 2011, 12:06 AM // 00:06

As someone who can actually generally figure out most Dutch and German written phrases, I still go to AE districts when I want to trade because frankly, I can't be bothered trying to translate when trading.

Basically, it comes down to a simple choice : try to trade in EU districts and have to work at it or go to AE and get it done. People can QQ about people's right to speak their own language, but I also have a right not to bother trying to understand it. And see how the shoe is on the other foot if you stand about in a busy German district and spam english in all chat...

That said, this is largely a result of the crappy trade system in GW. How about the Live Team work on that.

Daeheru · Mar 31, 2011, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Arf why did somebody drag this thread back from hell?

I always wonder this on forums, especially when people are still replying to the thread itself as if they're not noticing how old it is.